Are we skipping over The Cure, Rocky Horror, and how punk led to goth? Anne Rice's novel Interview with the Vampire came out in 1976, way before Tim Burton's films, not to mention Flowers in the Attic. Even if it wasn't depicted on a screen it was the inspiration for so many baby goths I knew
I’m so sad that Ancient Rome is bro-y to you and probably others! I studied Ancient Rome for both my BA and MA, the former on Ovid and his poetry and the later on 1st Century Roman art history. I recommend checking out Mary Beard; she’s a great historian of Ancient Rome and can take it out of the bro-y realm - so can a little Ovid 😊
Also, a very pedantic note (sorry, can’t help it, I studied Eliot’s “The Waste Land” in three separate college courses😅🥴): “April is the cruelest month”, the opening line, is meant to reference & contrast the opening of Chaucer’s “Canterbury Tales” (although April in Canada is pretty grim!)
Hey Avery, this is sort of a tangent, but you and others may be interested in this video on the cultural context of goth music by the ex-pitchfork writer Chris Ott (who wrote the 33 1/3 book on Joy Division’s Unknown Pleasures). He’s since been soft-cancelled and is in discourse exile, but his video has been reuploaded to YouTube: https://youtu.be/yoodNwr7RZE?si=JRFXhd5qeA3ugtek
Are we skipping over The Cure, Rocky Horror, and how punk led to goth? Anne Rice's novel Interview with the Vampire came out in 1976, way before Tim Burton's films, not to mention Flowers in the Attic. Even if it wasn't depicted on a screen it was the inspiration for so many baby goths I knew
Amazing insight! Thank you.
Such a fun and interesting read. Thank you for sharing! 💞
Love love love your podcast & work!
I’m so sad that Ancient Rome is bro-y to you and probably others! I studied Ancient Rome for both my BA and MA, the former on Ovid and his poetry and the later on 1st Century Roman art history. I recommend checking out Mary Beard; she’s a great historian of Ancient Rome and can take it out of the bro-y realm - so can a little Ovid 😊
Also, a very pedantic note (sorry, can’t help it, I studied Eliot’s “The Waste Land” in three separate college courses😅🥴): “April is the cruelest month”, the opening line, is meant to reference & contrast the opening of Chaucer’s “Canterbury Tales” (although April in Canada is pretty grim!)
Hey Avery, this is sort of a tangent, but you and others may be interested in this video on the cultural context of goth music by the ex-pitchfork writer Chris Ott (who wrote the 33 1/3 book on Joy Division’s Unknown Pleasures). He’s since been soft-cancelled and is in discourse exile, but his video has been reuploaded to YouTube: https://youtu.be/yoodNwr7RZE?si=JRFXhd5qeA3ugtek